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Nov 11 - 22, 2005


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(Quotes from Ed in Red)


Tue, 22 Nov 2005


Experiencing the Corporation

Ed, have read your interview in MW several dozen times as well as the discussion in Trend Following. I am trying to make the transition from the normal, "educated" world of celebrating complexity, stress and mental instability (obsession, issues keeping you up at night, "aggression") to a world of mental health and flow in which trading captures some of the abundance from flow.


As a former corporate lawyer, investment banker, private equity guy, this is a huge leap but after a year of study and of thrashing about in trading, I am finally starting to surrender, widening my stops, losing the fear, and letting it all happen, i.e., allowing the essential edge of trend following blossom. Reading your interviews helped me to bridge my spiritual readings regarding present moment awareness into trading. As the markets are no more than a subset of the universe, they observe the same properties. This you helped me understand. Thanks.

Having recently been a member of the insane legal/corporate world, I think that there is a place for using trading to help people still in that world become more aware of present moment awareness, trends, flow, acknowledging mistakes and consequences, and other essential understandings that most people in that world simply hide from. Unfortunately, the corporate world, unlike trading, allows one to deny one's errors.

Yes.  As societies mature, they tend to centralize authority.  The central authority tends to supplant community as the context for the individual.


This shows up in many ways such as destruction of geographical community (people no longer know their neighbors), a disappearance of the essential tribe (nuclear family) and a decline in faith-centric activity.


Fifty to 100 years ago, we still find geographical community (the people in a community get together for pot-hole parties). 


Community is a natural and essential part of living in balance with others.  I suspect the Trading Tribe is gaining traction in our modern world since it affords one of the few ways to experience community.


People report substantial life improvement by attending Tribe meetings.  I suspect they are merely experiencing getting back to normal.




As Societies Mature


central authority replaces local community

as the context for the individual.


Local forms of community atrophy

and their benefits disappear.


People who want to experience

the benefits of community

have to form intentional communities.


Clip: http://www.ljplus.ru/img2/pycaky/Capitol-Building-at-Night,-Washington-DC.jpg

Tue, 22 Nov 2005


Goals for Workshop

Hi Ed.

Thanks so much for meeting with me in person at your home to discuss trading research plans. I very much enjoy our discussions regarding trading system research and other related topics. In particular, your insight enlightening a better way to approach portfolio selection is profound. I am happy to be on the right path now.

After a couple of days of reflection, I finally achieve clarity on what I really want. I want to develop an outstanding trading system and start up a fabulously successful hedge fund. I choose to accept your kind and generous offer of assistance and am fully committed to moving forward to clarify and achieve my vision of success. The fog lifts. My friends, family, and trading tribe cheer me on to greatness.

Here are my workshop goals:

1) Design a clear blueprint for all major aspects of an outstanding trading system.

2) Develop a snapshot for my fabulously successful hedge fund.

3) Use TTP to identify and disappear any obstacles and energy-sapping dramas that stand between me and these goals.

I am delighted to be working with you now. I am already making excellent progress on these goals and plan to turbo-charge my progress at the workshop in January.

Thank you for sharing your process.


Occasionally I mentor a trader who demonstrates exceptional willingness to learn.

Tue, 22 Nov 2005


Report from Recent Hot Seat

Oh Sh--

Hi Chief.

The most recent local tribe meeting is one of the best yet. Thanks for visiting our local tribe. Per your request, here is my report of the proceedings:

We begin with a pre-meeting musical jam session. Our tribal music performance branches out beyond drumming to a banjo/guitar/piano trio. We have a lot of fun with some Christmas carols and other random songs and amuse a number of new tribe members and visitors.

One of our new members takes the first hot seat. He plunges in immediately, without waiting to see how anyone else does a hot seat. I admire his courage in doing this. He gets into a couple of clear forms and reaches the zero point within about 15 minutes.

A visitor to the tribe goes next. She also readily gets into a couple of forms. Over the course of the hot seat, her facial _expression and overall appearance change radically. At the end of the hot seat, she looks and acts like a different person than when she walked in the door. I am surprised to see such rapid transformations. This hot seat helps me understand how much a person's emotional state affects his or her impression on others.

At this point, I begin to grow impatient with waiting and display some impatience and nervousness forms, thereby moving to the top of the hot seat queue. I dive into one of my longest and most intense hot seat experiences. I reach several plateaus and keep going through three or four of these plateaus as new emotions manifest themselves after others resolve. I integrate several pairs of opposite emotions, but an overarching sense of annoyance remains. At one point I grumble that I expect better results from the Trading Tribe Process and express disappointment that I am not farther along after about a year of work. I learn that Ed is not as nice as our local tribe leader, and I find some of his negative comments and unpleasant observations to be very helpful. Somehow, over the course of this hot seat, I come to one of my biggest AHA's from all of my experience with TTP: in my life I intend and achieve only OK or mediocre results; I do not strive for great results. As a simultaneous aha about the process, I learn that an aha from TTP can present itself as an Oh Sh--. The unpleasant, yet helpful, realization that I am not striving for greatness begins to sink in, although I fight it for some time. As each day progresses since this realization, I observe my failure to strive for greatness in many aspects of my life and resolve now to intend greatness instead. I continue to have AHA's, such as joyfully accepting help from other people rather than grumpily trying to do everything myself.

Another new tribe member takes the hot seat after me. He spends about half an hour intellectualizing and avoiding the process. After some encouragement from the tribe, he engages in a real hot seat experience. During the checkout process, Ed observes that one thing that TTP cannot fix is unwillingness. I also observe this in my TTP work. I comment that several tribe members come and go throughout the year, each achieving results proportional to their willingness to work on their particular issues. Some choose not to go for it, some address certain aspects of their life, some jump right in, some come and go erratically. I observe the correspondence between intentions and results in each case.

Ed goes on the hot seat last, quickly achieving a difficult form that took him an hour to achieve in a previous tribe meeting. He demonstrates an amazing ability to derive enjoyment from forms and emotions that most people have a hard time enjoying.

During final checkout, all participants express great satisfaction with the meeting. We then get to hear a long-awaited and delightful rendition of the whipsaw song to close out the meeting.

Demonstrating new results that match my new intentions from my hot seat AHA, I observe many changes in rapid succession in the days following the meeting. With tremendous help from a conversation with Ed, I identify and understand how to rectify the biggest problem in my trading, the problem that underlies the failure of all of my trading systems until now. My relationship with my wife improves markedly and several longstanding arguments and conflicts disappear. I feel calmer and more hopeful about my child's ongoing challenges. I see the path to the professional success that I finally know how to achieve, and my wife and friends now share this vision. I build commitment to this new vision and lay the groundwork for greatness. I get tangible evidence that the Trading Tribe Process works in ways that pervade my life.

I am grateful to our local tribe leader for asking Ed to visit our tribe and lead the meeting, even though Ed is tired from the previous day's tribe meeting. It is helpful to see how Ed runs a tribe meeting, both as confirmation that we are already doing a good job and as an opportunity to find ways to make our local tribe even more effective. I am thankful that Ed decides to invest the time to visit our tribe and to summon the energy required for an excellent session. I am thankful for the unrelenting and selfless support from our local tribe leader through many changes and developments in our tribe this year. I am also thankful for our tribe members from throughout the year for tremendous mutual progress through TTP. Happy Thanksgiving!

Thank you for sharing your process.



TTP Seems to Work Wonders


for the Essential Tribe


Clip: http://www.tomwbell.com/family/


Tue, 22 Nov 2005


Thoughts on My First TT meeting

Dear Ed,

I want to share my experiences at my first tribe meeting.

About a month prior to the meeting I bought and read the Trading Tribe book. I found the ideas made a lot of sense and correlated well with my previous non-TT self-help work on untying some of my k-nots. I go to the meeting with great anticipation and willingness to see how the TTP would differ from and go beyond previous self-help experiences.

On the Hot Seat
I go first on the hot seat to explore my recent frustration with logically knowing what to do, but not taking corresponding action. The process manager quickly gets me to amplify a couple of forms: tightening of my shoulders and scrunching my face. It takes me a little while to become comfortable with really pushing the forms HARD, i.e. tightening and scrunching until painful and then pushing to linger there. I cycle through several waves of tightening and holding, releasing, and then tightening again. Iím so focused on experiencing my forms that Iím only occasionally consciously aware of the receivers cheering me on.

At some point I feel the desire to stand up, but it takes me a little while before I act on the feeling (some judgment there). After standing up and continuing to tighten and scrunch some more, I sit down and find my back muscles tight and painful. I incorporate this form too and continue for a little while longer. At some point, I find myself spent and sit calmly. The process manager surmises I have reached some local zero point. I complete my first hot seat session.

After me, five others take their respective turns in the hot seat. As a receiver for each one, I discover something different each time.

The first time I receive, I found myself so drawn in and tense that I have to remind myself to breathe.

The subsequent person sits on the hot seat for a long time for a multilayered onion peeling of forms and judges. It was inspiring to see his willingness to dig deeper. I also find myself surprisingly calm at times during his intense session, as if his AHAís generate calmness for me too.

The next person has a lower level of willingness than the others this evening. His session helps inform me on how willingness is really key to getting deeper into the process and closer to untying the k-nots.

For the final person on the hot seat, I feel very energized. I think itís probably because he has a very positive experience working on a form heís just recently embraced.

In general, as a receiver, I found that each senderís k-nots, triggered some acknowledgement of some similar k-not of my own.

Thoughts and Reflections
As I write this three days after the meeting, I find myself much less judgmental towards feeling frustration, and I find my willingness to take action has gone way up.

In retrospect, what stands out is the experience of pushing the forms deeper. Iíve been aware of these forms for a while and reading the book was a good intellectual exercise in understanding forms. When I push my forms hard on the hot seat, I feel like I am in a different state Ė hyper focused and in a trance. This is definitely a new experience.

The many discoveries while receiving are also a pleasant surprise.

Now I even occasionally push my forms in everyday life Ė when my shoulders are tight, Iíll sometimes tighten them more. In general, my acknowledgment and awareness of feelings is rising.

I look forward to digging deeper at the next tribe meeting.

Thank you for sharing your process.



People Often Report


high levels of energy and focus


follow a Hotseat session


Clip: http://www.activeamp.org/skate/


Tue, 22 Nov 2005


Wants Trading Capital

Hi Ed !

Can you help me.

I need some money to start to trade.


I need 1030$ to start.

You might start by moving the dollar sign to the front of the number.


If you have less than $1.030, you can increase your net worth by almost 100% per month by getting a job and saving about $1,000 per month.


That is a far better rate of return than most traders get.


When your rate of return by saving falls below 50% per year, and you have enough equity to ride out some whipsaws, you might consider trading.




Here's a Good Way


to get off to a good start



Clip: http://homepage.mac.com/jenniff/


Mon, 21 Nov 2005


Saying No

Dear Ed,

I had been struggling with a personal issue and I think my Tribe meeting might have been helpful.

Have you ever been in a situation where it felt like there was an elephant in the living room and no one was talking about it ?? Well, that's what my situation felt like ...

At the tribe meeting I spelled out the issue and the feelings surrounding it. The tribe encouraged me while I experienced my forms -- head shaking, saying NO! NO! NO! and stomping my feet. It felt kind of like a tantrum. I'm not sure I achieved zero point, but I felt calmer and clearer on the issue when I was finished.

A number of emotions have come up today. Anger, sadness, fear, pain. ... It is painful, but not as painful as pretending not to see the elephant.

Thank you for sharing your process.



Saying No


comes naturally to babies


Adults with k-nots

sometimes have much more trouble

saying no.


Clip: http://faculty.washington.edu/cobden/


Mon, 21 Nov 2005

Sign of a Real Estate Top ?

Soon, we can trade the real estate bubble at the CME.



The CME material seems to frame the contract as a way to hedge risk from falling prices.  The top tends to entrain the view that the best use of a contract is to capitalize on prices moving even higher.




House Prices are Historically High


relative to rents.


Clip: http://www.economist.com/images/


Mon, 21 Nov 2005


The Zen Vision and IQ Test

Hi Ed,

I want to offer the following.

The following is taken from Edward Toppel's book 'Zen in the Markets' It is entitled 'The Zen Vision and IQ Test'.

This piece has inspired me and I can testify that passing the test helped focus my mind and remove a lot of doubt and

stupidity from my trading. Although my trading is small (I only have about $10,000 in capital right now) my trading has

become consistently profitable these last few months and my account continues to grow. I am certain in my mind that my my money is safer in my trading account than in a bank account.

I challenge everyone who visits FAQ to take the test.



"To see things as they are and not the way you want to see them to be requires good vision and a reasonable intellect.

Actually, it is better if we have no intellect working at all. This test will illustrate what it takes to be a success using a Zen approach to the market.

Start with the vision test. Keep this page at a reasonable distance from your nose. Now read aloud the following numbers:

27 28 29

Did you say twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine? Brilliant! You've passed the second hardest part of doing well in the market. Now for the hardest part. Look again at the numbers and say out loud the number that is highest. Now say the lowest.

Which number is between both numbers? Did you say that twenty seven was the lowest and twenty nine the highest? If you also said that twenty eight was in the middle, then you've passed the test with flying colours!! You are on your way to being very successful in the market.

The vision test you have just taken proves that you can recognize different numbers and the IQ test demonstrates that you know the relationships amongst them. No other knowledge of the markets is necessary. This exam determines that you are clearly capable of an egoless view of the market. A view that is free of personality needs. Twenty nine is higher than twenty seven. No one can dispute that. You've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you can tell when you've got a profit.

Conversely, when you do the opposite you know you are sitting on a loser.

The market rewards those who have subdued their egos. Those who rid themselves of their egos are rewarded greatly. They are the superstars of their fields. In the market, rewards come in the form of profits."

Hope you enjoyed this.

Zen is a spiritual practice in which people come to direct intuitive insight through meditation.


TTP is a practice in which people trade turns validating each other and accepting feelings.


Your 27-28-29 test seems to be a follow-the-dots didactic and does not appear to follow from either Zen or TTP.


You might take your desire to have the book appear on my list to your Tribe as an entry point - or alternatively, meditate on it for a few years.


Instructions for Doing Zen


Clip: http://www.brush-way.org/




Mon, 21 Nov 2005


Hot Seat Report: I do it!

Last tribe meeting I am finally able to integrate a series of forms. This is no small feat for me as I usually show up to meetings as the poster boy for an incorrigible sender.

One of my big issues is commitment to a healthy lifestyle. I jump on and off my system of healthy eating and exercise and the results or lack there of speak for themselves. There are many hot seat sessions where I address issues, feel the feelings, have minor AHA's yet still fall back on my old ways a few days post tribe meeting.

Last week's meeting is different. The day before the meeting the Tribe leader calls me to encourage a proper effort or alternatively not to bother coming at all. I thank him for his encouragement and honesty yet travel up to the meeting extremely tense about this performance ultimatum.

After our check-in I indicate I commit to take the hot seat there and then. My head is pounding, my palms are sweating and I am extremely uncomfortable. In short it really feels like a hot seat.


TTP is such a benefit to my life since I first discover Ed's site back in early '03 that I ask myself what is the worst that can happen by really trying to experience my feelings and showing my forms. I bend over feeling my stomach and the tribe encourages me to really get into it. I can only hold the form so long before I decide to quit. Right away the tribe know they are on to something. They encourage me to get into it more. I discover that by actually breathing deeply I can extend the duration of the form. I then find a form of what it means to do nothing. This one is easy. I am good at it and a big smile crosses my face as I sit back. Again there is encouragement to do more. In the past I would quit at this point and say thanks very much for my hot seat session. This time I know deep down inside it is not enough.

I go through a few more forms as the Tribe prod as well as encourage me. Finally it is time to integrate the forms. Somehow I end up on the floor in a supine position. I arch my back to stretch out and at the same time bend my upper body over in a crunch. This form is hard work, but at the same time feels great. I repeat this form several times and really get into the assimilating the feelings and enjoying the form. Finally I complete my form integration. My headache is gone, my face and body are covered with sweat and I lie there exhausted from a complete hotseat. Life is a lot more clear now.

Thank you for sharing your process.






If you are willing

to experience stubbornness

it, too, disappears


If you are unwilling

to experience stubbornness

it's k-not stays tight.



Clip: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/projects/


Mon, 21 Nov 2005


How to set up a Breathwork Weekend

Dear Chief,

Some years ago I visit a Breathwork seminar. Some month ago I visit your workshop. During the last weeks I study intensively holotropic breathing based on Dr. Grof's work and I have one breathing session almost every week.


I want to set up one or more Breathwork weekends for the Austrian and German tribe influenced by your work and offerings.

Please, can you explain and expand on the process of creating our own Breathwork weekend especially the connection snapshot - clarification process and Breathwork - tribe meeting.

TTP Breathwork extends Stan Grof's work in a number of areas. 


Grof holds that breathing is is naturally "holotropic" or wellness-seeking.  The TTP approach is more intentional - we set up conditions to aim the breathing into specific areas.


To experience how to do this, apply to attend an Incline Village Breathwork.


I plan to deal with snapshots in the upcoming Workshop.



One Good Way to Prolong Life


is to keep breathing


Clip: http://mk23.image.pbase.com/u40/


Mon, 21 Nov 2005


Cao Dai

Dear friends,

While recently looking around the foothills of the Nui Baden mountains in SW Vietnam, I ran across the headquarters of a young (early 1900s) religious movement, which is extremely interesting.


Itís based on many of the ideas we regularly discuss together and is called Cao Dai, which translates into English as ďRoofless High AbodeĒ from Vietnamese.

In case you are not already familiar with this group, I am attaching a brief synopsis of their basic principals, just for your general info ...



Cao Dai enthusiasts tend to judge materialism and renounce it. TTP celebrates prosperity.


Cao Dai utilizes official spiritual mediums and channelers.  TTP uses everyone as receivers.


Cao Dai renounces meat. TTP celebrates all forms of nourishment.


Cao Dai strives to quiet the mind. In TTP, when we find a noisy mind, we validate it and encourage it to get even noisier.




The Noisy Mind


Cao Dai wants to quiet it.


In TTP we encourage it to get louder


Clip: http://park1.wakwak.com/~shiraki/


Sun, 20 Nov 2005


The Jademaster

Dear Mr. Seykota,

In the Prologue to the 'New Market Wizards' by Jack Schwager, there was a story about the Jademaster from a work of yours called 'The Trader's Window.' Is this from a book that you published? I have been trying to locate this book and have not been successful. Do you know how I may be able to get a copy of this book?

The Trader's Window is not in publication.  I am thinking about publishing it.

Fri, 18 Nov 2005


Wants to Chop Wood


I want to come and work for you (3 months / Dec - Feb ?) in exchange for your personal guidance teaching me how to trade successfully. I will cook, clean, do yard work, shovel snow, chop wood, stoke the fire, care for your home and vehicle, drive for you, run errands, challenge you on the bike and ski slopes, almost anything. With intense focus, discipline and detail, I will adhere to your suggestion, guidance, and direction. You will not regret your decision should you choose to invest your time and energy.

Thank you for your kind offer.  I already do all those things you mention myself as they provide good exercise.  Occasionally I adopt a trading assistant to help me execute intricate positions.





Trading Assistant


demonstrating hand signals

for "let's double up."


Clip: http://www.dannysteyn.com/images/melissa-allen-model-portfolio-0756.jpg

Fri, 18 Nov 2005


FAQ - Appears on Other Sites

Hi Ed,

Thanks for making TTP available. My participation in a tribe has been very transformative. I hope to give back as much as I can.

I am becoming whole as a result of honoring my intentions, honoring he intentions of others and just feeling.

I posted the following on another site in response to a question Maybe it will be useful to readers of the FAQ.

Q: To profitable traders: How do you feel?

A: I love trading. It's part of how I get to fully experience a wide range of feelings.

I start each day anticipating a profit and fearing a loss.

It doesn't surprise me when I have a loss and when it happens I don't mind, if I traded properly. (The definition of which is too long to post now and like the rest of this post, is highly subjective). Sometimes I feel let down by profits too, I want more; classic greed.

But since you ask about feeling Iíll try to get more specific:

I think I now crave fear and that has enabled me to trade better. It's part of the well balanced trading diet. Rather than hide from and avoid fear, I just feel it as a physical sensation.

Accepting and feeling the fear, maybe even enjoying it has helped me adhere to my tactics and execute trades more effectively.

Discipline is also a once unpleasant feeling that I currently crave.

As with the fear, choosing to get into the feeling of wanting to bail on a trade or circumvent the systems and just getting into the feeling and concentrating on it has also improved the bottom line.

It is somewhat analogous to pain in athletic efforts. When I train, it hurts eventually that pain becomes a sort of stimulant once it's fully accepted and integrated ...

Above all, I have flexible expectations of how the market will behave on any given day. I wait until the trade comes to me or I initiate ...

I'm wrong, I'm right, I'm free to change my mind. The market will show me what it's doing, I'm free to just respond or not.

Why did I get into trading in the first place? For the freedom. I now embrace the free feeling. As a result I'm in and out more easily with discretionary trades and more comfortable with my automated systems P/L. I'm free to improve the systems or to let tem run.

This is all a repetition of what's been said all over this board but when it clicked it became a game instead of a struggle.

Psychology is key. I pay attention to how I feel when things are working out and when they are not. You probably already know exactly what to do too.

If you like, check out www.seykota.com  it deals almost entirely with feelings.


Fri, 18 Nov 2005


Lots of Corn



Mountains of Corn

and a Sea of Farm Subsidies

Article: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~anthro/


The best way the government has for reducing the price of something is to subsidize it. 


The best way government has for raising the price of something is to make it illegal.





Ecstasy: $150,000 per pound




Corn: $2.25 per bushel


Trading Idea:

if the government decides

corn is unhealthy,

buy a lot of it.

If they actually schedule it,

double up.








Fri, 18 Nov 2005


Importance of Math

Dear Sir,

I am a Malaysian currently studying in Australia. I will go back to my home country upon the completion of my study at the beginning of 2006.

I am interested in TTP program, however, I could see no contact is available for the program in Malaysia, I just wonder any alternative offer available?

I am a commerce student major in accounting and I came across with the whole idea of trading from a book 'Market Wizards'. I am impress and fond of the achievement made by those trader and especially admire Ed Seykota, who is a legend and live a life as he wants to. I am fascinated by how the market work, it is like a mysterious place. I not just want to know more about the market, I want to learn to live a profound and exciting life.

I too wonder do I need to be excel in Math and programming in order to trade well? I have no knowledge of programming and Introductory level of Math.

A grasp of basic trading math is essential to trading. 


You can hire people with deep skill in programming and statistics if you need them. See Programming, below.

Thu, 17 Nov 2005


Random Why Question

Dear Sir

If stock prices are not random then why we are not able to calculate the next price on the chart ?


FAQ does not attempt to answer why questions.


YOU might consider putting your question into S-VOP form by providing an indication of the meaning of "we" and to which chart you refer.


Charts are not random in the sense that prices open today at about the same level they close yesterday.  In that sense, you can calculate today's open to lie in a small range around yesterday's close.




If You Throw These Dice

over and over again


they always come up

three green, two blue,

a white and a black.



Clip: http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/maths/chance-dice-random-numbers-3-AHD.jpg

Thu, 17 Nov 2005


Experiencing vs. Acting Out

Ed says, "In TTP we encourage each other to experience our feelings, not act them out."

Thanks Ed for the response. Can you please elaborate a little bit more about the difference between experiencing a feeling and acting out a feeling?


It seems to me that they are almost identical but I guess there are some subtleties that I am missing. Isn't acting out a feeling a way of experiencing it? Say for me to experience fear - if I really go into fear as in I panic, my heart jumps, or my hands go cold - am I not "acting out" my fear? The same with anger. When I am so angry and blood rushes to my head that I feel like yelling from the bottom of my lungs or just madly hitting a punching bag or slamming that squash ball - is that experiencing or is it merely acting it out?

In TTP, Acting-Out refers to running dramas out in the real world that entrain the feelings we have in k-nots.


Experiencing refers to integrating feelings with conscious thought to produce wisdom.  In TTP we assist each other in experiencing the feelings we have in k-nots.




Experiencing Fear and Anger




Acting Out









Wed, 16 Nov 2005





Clip: http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/dinoriki/




Clip: http://www.cshobbies.com/images/


Tue, 15 Nov 2005


TSAA Follow-up


Ed - I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed both your presentation at the TSAA seminar this past Saturday and our dinner on Friday night. Thank you for taking the time and effort to join us.


Tue, 15 Nov 2005


Van Tharp Wants Interview

Hi Ed

I am hoping that this is the correct email address to find you. We do not seem to have your email or phone number on file, only your postal address.

I am writing on behalf of Van Ė who is currently in Chicago Ė because I am trying to set up brief interviews between Van and some of the people that he regards as the greats of the trading world. We are considering a revised edition of Trade Your Way to Financial Freedom and wanted to add these interviews to the new work. I therefore told him that I would endeavor to chase you down.

Would you please let me know if this interests you and also send me a phone number, so that Van can catch up with you personally.

You may send your interview questions to FAQ by email - I can then post them and my answers on this site.  You may use the answers for your book if you credit the site.


Tue, 15 Nov 2005


Cost of Being Apostles


I want to remind you of the cost of discipleship and total surrender spirituality. The Bible doesnít tell us, but there is historical record available:

1. John died in exile to the island of Patmos.

2. Judas Iscariot hanged himself.

3. Peter was crucified; head downward, during the persecution of Nero.

4. Andrew died on a cross at Patrae, a Grecian Colony.

5. James, the younger, son of Alphaeus, was thrown from a pinnacle of the Temple, and then beaten to death with a club.

6. Bartholomew was flayed alive in Albanapolis, Armenia.

7. James, the elder son of Zebedee, was beheaded at Jerusalem.

8. Thomas, the doubter, was run through the body with a lance at Coromandel, in the East Indies.

9. Philip was hanged against a pillar at Heropolis.

10. Thaddeus was shot to death with arrows.

11. Simon died on a cross in Persia (Iran).

12. Matthew was first stoned and then beheaded.

What sacrifices! And I ask you why? Why did they choose this.

As a whole, followers of TTP report more prosperity, better relationships, more sense of fulfillment and less self-destructive drama.




Setting Up for Drama


instead of untying k-nots

about feelings

of persecution and sacrifice.



Clip: http://www.sabbathtruth.com/images/





Tue, 15 Nov 2005


Family TTP


Hi Ed !

Monday night my son and I did a mutual snapshot / hardball process. His snapshot is a report card with all A's. My snapshot is an automated alert system on my stock watch list. Our hardball process includes screaming and a pillow fight ( I know, a little beyond the TTP rules ).


Now, two days later we each observe behavioral improvement, more emotional and mental freedom to focus on achieving our snapshots, and a closer relationship than the usual parental authority / teen seething resentment model. We did the exercise " I own you / get off my back ." He really likes that one.


Today, my programmer, whom I haven't heard from for 3 weeks, sends me the automated alert system. My snapshot almost complete already. Yes !




TTP Pillow Fight


Encouraging each other

to do it even more.


Clip: http://www.clubcourtyard.com/


Tue, 15 Nov 2005


Positive Intention of Depression

I remember a story about a great yogi in the Himalayas named Milarepa. When he first approached his Guru, Marpa, the Guru gave him a strange assignment. He asked Milarepa to build him a square stone house on a hill. As soon as he finished hauling all the rocks up the hill on his back, building the house, the Guru changed his mind, and said he actually would prefer a round stone house on the other side of the valley. The guru changed his mind again and again, next wanting a triangle house in the valley, a crescent-shaped house somewhere else ...

Milarepa despaired, and felt he had chosen a crazy man as a guru, believed the guru must hate him. He had open sores on his back from hauling stones up and down the hills like a donkey. The guru's wife felt sorry for Milarepa, and she prevailed upon Marpa to be kinder to his young disciple. The guru relented, and taught him some yogic knowledge and Milarepa was happy and went on to great success.

Marpa commented that if he had been able to plunge his disciple into deep depression just one more time, that Milarepa would have completely extinguished his karma, and would not need to be reborn, but because of the wife's intervention, Milarepa would need one more incarnation.




TTP helps people get into their feelings

about carrying stones around


without having to carry stones around.



Mon, 14 Nov 2005


Ancient FAQ still talks about

the non-existent future

Hi Ed,

I like what you said on March 7, 2003 about the Trend, "The Trend is your Friend, except at the End, where it'll Tend to Bend." I think you say something very similar later on as well.

Would it be more consistent to change it to "where it TENDS to bend" instead?

Thank you for the catch. The item now stands correctly.

Sun, 13 Nov 2005


TSAA Conference Feedback


I want thank you for your participation in TSAA's 23rd annual conference. Since you left early, I wanted to let you know of the many fine compliments I received about your talk.

I had one woman say that she found herself suddenly open to taking steps toward this sort of personal growth work. I had another ask how to get in touch with you and another who wanted to join a tribe and another who wanted to come to your workshop. You will undoubtedly field a few calls in the coming weeks.

Our Webmaster has already posted a link to your Trading Tribe website. We hope that this link will generate more interest in your process.

Again, I want to express my deep appreciation and gratitude for your willingness to participate and share the Tribe process. This event will ripple through the universe in a positive way.

OK.  I am preparing a transcription of the speech.





breed more ripples


Clip: http://www.gordonanderson.ca/Calendar/



Sun, 13 Nov 2005



How do you define forecasting? and what's so bad (incorrect) about it?

A forecast is a statement or claim that a particular event will occur in the future. The etymology of the word Predict is Latin (from prś- "before" plus dicere "to say").


In TTP, we hold all activity occurs in the now and that predictions about the (non-existing) future are meaningless.


In practice, forecasts of unimportant events (The weather tomorrow, the name of the TV show that plays next Thursday at 9:00 PM on Channel 2) tend to be pretty good.


Forecasts of important events (Stock Market Crashes, Pearl Harbor Attack, WTC: September 11, 2001) tend to be poor.


Trading on forecasts of stock prices may interfere with following Trend Trading systems.




Hmmm ... Very Interesting ...


I see myself

wearing a fortune teller outfit.


Clip: www.saviodsilva.net/ d/f/swami.htm

Sun, 13 Nov 2005




Do you consider addiction a form/drama response to k-nots? Does TTP have success in assisting with addiction recovery?

An addiction is a psychological habit that has detrimental effects on the addict and/or his associates.


We are having good results breaking addictive habits with TTP.  When the k-not unties, the associating behavior disappears.


TTP requires considerable intention, concentration, focus, and willingness so substance users must be sober during the process in order for it to work properly.



Co-Dependence on Government


meets the criteria  for classification

as an addiction



Clip: http://www.libertyhaven.com/



Fri, 11 Nov 2005


Programming, Trading, TTP and other stuff

Hi Ed!

Programming is fascinating. I have so many ideas that I want to program, LEAPS and bounds beyond what's out there. I stay in the now, and once in a while I look up and see how far I have to go, but then I just smile, get some goose bumps and put my head down and get back too it. I'm beating most other CTA's returns this year and this is just the beginning. I've found my voice, I thank you and the IV tribe. I hope all is well with you and yours,





What One Programmer Can Do in a Year


two programmers can also do in a year.


Clip: http://simpler-solutions.net/pmachinefree/


Fri, 11 Nov 2005


Feeling Alive


All I can say, is that it feels good to feel so good. Thank you for TTP, the book, your guidance and insight, and your commitment to and through the wonderful world of feelings. WHAT A RUSH!!!




In a Repressive Society


feeling normal

can seem like a big improvement.



Clip: http://www.brycemuir.com/graphics/


Fri, 11 Nov 2005


IV-TT Hot Seat

Feelings About Sick Family Member

Hi Ed,

The issue I take to the hot seat is my anger and frustration with learning how to program. What I think is just one issue, turns out to be several.

I have a very intense hot seat session. My form starts out with anger and frustration. I really get into these forms, which include kicking the pillow, throwing the pillow, and basically trying to destroy Edís sofa pillows and nearly breaking something as I kick the pillow across the room.

Another form consists of me clapping my hands together until they hurt and turn red. The process manager notices that I use learning programming as a way to beat myself up.

Somehow the process manager gets me into a form of sadness. I start crying when I let my feelings come up about a member of my family who has a disease. The process manager deftly relates this drama to punishing myself for not having the disease.

There have always been strong feelings about this situation in my family, but very little validation of feelings. As I think about it, this drama has a profound impact on me ever since I learn of the disease.

My drama involves myself thinking I know how the other members of the family should handle this issue. At the zero point I gain clarity on this issue and have no more need to punish myself for not having the disease or tell my family members how they should behave.

I thank all of the members of the Incline Village Trading Tribe for their encouragement and support.

Thank you for sharing your process





When We are Willing to Experience Anger

Frustration and Guilt


we do not have to do violent things

to try to make these feelings go away.



Clip: http://www.unoriginal.co.uk/