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Note: The intention of inclusion of charts in FAQ is
to illustrate trading principles - The appearance of a chart does not imply
any kind of indication or recommendation to buy, sell, hold or stay out
of any
positions. |
Fri, 13 Jun
2008
Danke Schon
Dear Ed
My (German) girlfriend just your Whipsaw video and said you were
"sympatische". She's not at all interested in trading but I think she
appreciates a good sense of humour, so thank you for that.
Aside from all the material you have prepared in the TSP pages, what I
found extremely helpful were the Trade Log and Equity Log files on the
Donchian page. Seeing an actual log in each case gave much guidance at
a crucial stage in the system design process.
In appreciation, |
Bitte schon. |
Thu, 12 Jun
2008
Analysis
Paralysis
I have not written anything for awhile. It seems that I am researching
ten stocks at once which often pushes me into indecision paralysis.
High
conviction ideas are hard to come by, though we recently found a few
which I’ll write about soon. We are stress testing our portfolios for
two additional risks which makes stock selection even more difficult:
1)
extremely strong balance sheets – today’s recession, which is a consumer
driven one, may last longer than the ones in the past. Thus as I
mentioned before access to capital markets may turn into a privilege not
a birthright. I want to own companies that don’t have a burden of debt
and preferably suffer from a burden of cash.
2) normalizing profit
margins, which in most cases today results in lower earnings and higher
valuations.
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You might consider taking your
feelings of <wanting to figure it out> to Tribe as entry points.

Fundamental Analytics
often include an immediate cause
and exclude the overall system.
Clip:
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/
news.asp?brd=2185&nav_sec=49666
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Thu, 12 Jun
2008
Wants a
Discount
I know it worth every penny but do you offer any student discounts by
any chance? :)
Thank you Ed,
Morgan
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You might consider taking your
feelings of <wanting to get it for less> to Tribe. |
Thu, 12 Jun
2008
Second
Hand Feelings
Hi Ed,
I don’t like being told what to feel, being awarded ‘employee of the
month’ makes me excited for a short while but in reality I have flaws
and they are overlooked when I am rewarded, it hurts me on the long run
to forget that I can improve for the sake of cheering for a short while.
I agree with compounding profits but we must also mention the losses
because only then we can know the net result.
The point is celebrating for something makes me forget about the reason
and get the short term thrill of feeling success as ‘money’ or ‘free
parking space’ or ‘printed certificate’; as opposed to feeling success
as a group as a result of a systematic process which by celebrating
reminds us of the whole picture and gives us the excitement of knowing
our part is significant as part of a bigger success as a group. |
You might consider taking you
feelings about <having to be perfect> to Tribe.

Some People See This Lady
as an opportunity
for a meaningful long-term relationship
supporting right-livelihood.
And some people don't.
Clip:
http://sexybeautifulwomenlingerie.
blogspot.com/2007/09/optional-seamless-
pads-for-blue-sky.html |
Thu, 12 Jun
2008
Family Members in the Tribe
Dear Mr. Seykota,
the Community is helping me a lot our new Tribe. I consider
inviting my wife to participate at it. I do not intend to
suggest it to her nor think that she needs it, I just love
the idea of sharing the experience with her. I appreciate
your thoughts about family members participating at Tribe
meetings.
Sincerely yours, |
You can take your Tribe principles
into your family - or wherever you go.

Yu can Take Your Family to Tribe
and you can also
take Tribe to your family.
http://tvcomedies.about.com/od/
thesimpsons/ig/The-Simpsons-Photo-Gallery/
The-Simpsons-Family.htm |
Wed, 11 Jun
2008
Why Why
Why
Dear Ed
I sit here at after the UK close after the FTSE has fallen around 3%
today and around 11% from the May peak.
I sit at a print out I did late last night it shows a falling market for
a few weeks with lower lows and lower highs below any of the hundreds of
lags you could put on it and pointing quite simply, down.
I read on the chart that I printed last night:
“Downtrend in nearly any time scale and making new lows every couple of
days, in a down channel. If yesterday’s lows give way it could fall a
long way quickly”.
I get up this morning and place a sell stop just beneath the low that I
feel shows a breakout. A buy stop above the last ‘significant’ high is
also placed.
The order get’s hit, I am in profit, almost as soon as I am I exit.
I get “pissed off” I’m not in so I decide, hey it’s gone “too far” so I
buy it, no system no nothing.
It falls like a stone, I add, it falls more I add, I exit at the uncle
point.
I lose around 25% of my account in little over an hour.
I feel hurt(?) angry, frustrated and strangely satisfied.
I guess I got what I wanted, but if I did why am I crying, a grown man
of 27 sobbing at his computer.
“Why?” questions are banned I know but all I think is why? Why? Why? and
call myself things in my own head.
Thanks for providing this outlet for me.
Kind regards |
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <this trade> to Tribe.

FTSE 100
In trading, as in life
people figure a way
to get what they want.
Red circle shows day of trade.
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Tue, 10 Jun
2008
Wants to
Short Real Estate
Dear Mr. Seykota:
A few months ago I decided to retire (at 44) from practicing medicine to
trade. Part of the motivation for my career change was my experience
working for a small securities information service before I went to med
school. There I used Oracle software to crunch historical data about
muni-bond and corporate debt. I was bitten by the trading bug during
this time and have been trading since then. However, I was an
active-duty Navy medical officer, which made it hard to trade,
especially during deployments to the current war.
Since leaving the Navy, I have been researching different approaches to
trading. I decided that trend following fit me the best. I just finished
Trend Following and decided to take seriously Covel's recommendation to
meet and learn from experienced trend following traders. I was the most
impressed by his description of you, so I investigated the Trading Tribe
website. I found I like your approach very much because of your emphasis
on emotion and the similarities between your approach and Buddhism,
which I try to practice. I say try because I don't meditate as much as I
want to. I think this has to do with a lot of unacknowledged feelings --
hence my interest in the Trading Tribe approach.
Let me add that the specialty that I practiced was psychiatry, so for me
it's a foregone conclusion that my trading results will have everything
to do with psychological factors -- "getting in my own way" -- and I
believe it's essential for me to join a Trading Tribe. There is one
where I live (San Diego) so I have contacted the leader to see if it is
still meeting (on your website it appears that there aren't any members
other than the leader).
Here's an illustration of my typical reaction to a "trading" situation.
My wife and I want to move to Dallas, where she has some business
opportunities (she is a CPA but is a natural entrepreneur). As you know,
the trend in the housing market in Southern California is down. I have
been complaining to my wife that we will have to take a loss on our
house (by the way, there are no problems with mortgage payments, etc.)
in order to move -- either by selling at a loss or renting with a
negative cash flow. She created a great decision (move/don't move with
different options -- sell, rent, etc.) spreadsheet that definitely
counters my fears.
Nevertheless, I am caught between wanting to move and
not wanting to take a loss. Sounds like a lot of "investors" who hold
onto a losing trade instead of cutting losses. Trying to think like a
trend follower, I realize that I should cut my losses here and move. I
wish there were a way to short houses (other than shorting real estate ETFs that are trending down)!
I am certain that this kind of situation will appear in my trading, so
the Trading Tribe approach is a must for me. I tend to agree
intellectually with a system but doubt it at the same time yet ignore my
emotions about it. I really admire Livermore as he portrays himself in
Reminiscences of a Stock Operator and would like to approach trading
(and life) like he did.
Anyway, this is all by way of introducing myself. Thank you for running
your Trading Tribe program. I'm looking forward to it.
----
The real estate issue: I discovered that there are futures on housing
markets. AHA! (Clearly, I don't know much about the futures markets, so
I'm studying Schwager's book). |
OK. |
Mon, 9 Jun
2008
National Anthem - WOW!
Texas Tech University basketball game, February 9th, National Anthem
sung by 5 young ladies (ages 6-8).
You are never going to hear it performed much better than this! An
entire arena remains completely silent throughout the entire song.
Please take the time to enjoy this.
audio-video file
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Thank you for the video clip. |
Fri, 6 Jun
2008
The Essential Card
Ed,
Thank you for the essential card and a nice two dollar bill. I like them
both very much. I like these six essentials to be part of me, so they
call me anytime they like.
This is the first time I see a two dollar bill. I don't know where to
put it. I like to read books, so I decide to use it as a bookmark.
Always Thankful. |
OK. |
Thu, 5 Jun
2008
Takes
Frustration to Tribe
Last week at the tribe meeting I went into the meeting feeling both mad
and frustrated by many things that did not go the way I wanted them to
go the last few weeks.
One of my key employees pinched a nerve in his
neck and the doctor told him he needed an operation and could not work
for at least 3 months right in the busiest time of the year for my
business.
Another employee was not performing up to expectations and
more things happened that I did not want to happen and judged as being
bad.
So I took the hot seat expecting to fully experience all the
frustration and anger I was feeling. As I went into my forms what I
noticed was all these judgments running such as "you look like a 2 year
old just throwing a fit, that looks stupid, how long are you going to
keep doing that, what do you really think you are going to accomplish by
doing this" and more.
At first I argued back that I was going to keep
doing it as long as I wanted just because I want to and then I kept at
the forms and finally just let the judgments be OK but not stop me or
interfere.
It was like everyone who had ever criticized me all pilling
on at once but once I quit resisting them it became ok to just do what I
was doing.
This last week has felt much better. I feel more free than I
have felt in a long time and I am noticing the judgments that pop up out
of no where and all the times I resist when things do not go the way I
would prefer them to go.
The interesting thing is that if I just notice
it all and let it go, things seem to work out just fine without me
having to thrash around doing all sorts of things. I starting to wonder
to what degree that I have been stirring around and just making life
more difficult for myself when all that was not necessary at all.
I have
to thank my tribe because I do not think I would have been able to get
this all by myself. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Violence is One Way
to medicate (avoid experiencing)
anger.
Clip:
http://www.seedsofunfolding.org/
issues/10_06/reflections.htm
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Wed, 4 Jun
2008
TT Essentials Card
Ed,
Thank you.
Even though we have never met, you are a special person in
my life. |
Thank you for your support. |
Tue, 3 Jun
2008
Whipsaw song
Hey Ed,
Congrats on the success of the Whipsaw Song ! I looked at it when you
sent us the e-mail right after you first posted it – like when it had
about 4 views. I just checked it again and was astonished to see it has
nearly 22,000 views !
Oh my gosh, congratulations ! |
Thank you for your support. |
Tue, 3 Jun
2008
Systematizing Intuition
Hi Ed,
Following are rules which "I think / percept" at "various points" work
"well most of the times"
1. Gloat: Trends tend to reverse when position holders start to gloat.
2. News: Markets do not react to a news to which they should in a
certain way (popularly believed way or "consensus belief"), it goes in
the opposite direction.
3. Consensus opinion: Consensus opinion is seldom right. Although right,
move may be delayed. ("Aha" explains this)
Plenty of more like these which I have learnt by experience of about 8-9
years. I am 27 now.
These, on "gut feel", work very well and can be immensely profitable.
The problem is sticking to a system which does not have all these rules
and neither do I (and not sure anyone can) "know" how to program these
into the system.
A. Any idea how do you make use of these feelings profitably?
Feelings like these push you away from sticking to the system.
My solution: Have a small separate unrelated account, where you can
trade like this and try and be profitable the way you like and perhaps
enjoy. Let out your feelings while controlling them etc. Thus the main
account is untouched by emotions as its much easier to stick to the
system now as I have a new account to ooze out my performance and LET
GO.
B. What do you think of my solution in dealing with pains and joys of
sticking to the system?
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If your system includes methods that
employ intuition to trade against popular trends you might consider
making sure it also includes methods to keep your intuition clear.

Intuition

Into Wishing
Clips:
http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/
2008/04/0152intuition01.jpg
http://www.allposters.com/-sp/I-m-Wishing-Posters_i366668_.htm
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Mon, 2 Jun
2008
Two Oil
Covers
Hi Ed,
two covers on oil ! But there're a lot of news about crude oil almost
every day in the last months and it seems not enough to stop the ride:
now I'm curious to see the effect of these publications.
ciao

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Magazine covers tend to manifest the
current concerns of the society - and to signal awareness (conscious
discount) of the situation. |
Mon, 2 Jun
2008
Joining a Tribe
Ed,
Hello,
I have been educating myself in learning to trade and I would like to
know if you have a "tribe" who meets in [City].
Thanks, |
You can consult the Tribe Directory
link, above. |
Mon, 02 Jun
2008
Berliner Stamm
Dear Mr. Seykota,
I start a Tribe in Berlin, Germany.
Yours sincerely, |

Welcome,
Berlin
Germany
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Sun, 1 Jun
2008
Cross-Pollination with IV Tribe
Hi Ed,
I have my brother with wife visiting - doing a lot of sightseeing, hence
the delay ( luckily I was in the office today to get something and see
your mail, as my last day was Friday).
I have the tickets already - I am in San Francisco on the 2nd - in the
evening.
I am keen to learn about the rocks process.
I want to address my procrastination issue, which manifests itself in
multiple environments and levels. Sometimes, when I want to do
something, I seem to be finding excuses, explanations why I should
postpone the action, often giving myself a deadline on the next day / week
and seem to find new excuses to postpone the action further.
Even now, when writing the mail, I think I should be in a more alert
state to write a proper mail.
When working on my system I give myself a deadline to come up with
rules, after I do come up with the rules, the conditions are met next
day, I think I need to do more analysis and improve the signals further.
When I come across something I don't understand at work, rather than ask
someone I prefer to figure it out on myself and not ask, although asking
would benefit everyone - I think I shouldn't disturb them, I don’t' want
them to think I'm asking about trivial things etc - maybe I'll ask later
when I'm still stuck.
New issues arise, I fall behind with the work,
people start asking for results. Then I get a sense of urgency and feel
like being pulled in different directions, squeeze my eyes, start
sweating, rub my neck, clench the jaw, get impatient with people, start
talking fast and shorten the sentences, jumping from issue to issue.
When at work, say I need to get a signature of my boss on a document or
trade blotter, I go towards him; I see that he's looking at his screens,
Outlook on one screen, YouTube on the other. Although it's pretty
clear he's looking at YouTube rather than writing an important mail I
think I shouldn't disturb him, now is not the best time, I should do it
later, so go back to my desk.
After I talk myself out of doing something I feel down, sad and
disappointed with myself, feel tension on my face, especially around the
eyes, feel like taking on some weight on my shoulders, want to curl down
and want the day to finish. I feel like I serve others more than myself.
This issue might be made of a mixture of issues: impatience, indecision,
lack of confidence and self-esteem, overanalyzing...
I think of myself as a successful person, those issues aren’t’
preventing me from having a good life, but I do want to improve.
Can you recommend a decent / modest B&B in Incline Village ? I'll stay in
IV overnight.
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You might consider taking your
feelings of <shyness> to Tribe.

The Positive Intention of Shyness
is survival.
Clip:
http://dating-tips-and-guides.blogspot.com/
2008/03/how-to-overcome-shyness.html
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